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About DS vs DSP. Two of the national-level guys (BMWs) race here and one national-leve Acura ITR. When I check results from our events, events where we all race on the same courses, I find myself about 2 seconds slower than the national-level Acura ITR in DS and usually about 0.2 -- 1.0 second slower than the BMW 325is (plural) who race against me in class (DS -- I can, and do, beat everybody else). Checking further, I find I'm about 1.0 seconds faster than the 8-9 DSP cars who race in class (DSP) and about 2 seconds slower than the national-level DSP BMWs. If I'm already 1.0 seconds faster than the 'typical' DSP car locally and within 2 seconds of the national competitors on the same course -- and I'm still a stock DS car, I figure I can do the mods under discussion and be very competitive in DSP -- at least there's hope. There's absolutely no chance of winning in DS!
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Hmm. I don't know what to say to that, really. A 'good' local-level driver will be 1.5-2.5 seconds behind a national driver in my experience, so that sounds about right for DS. I think we can beat the ITR. Heinricy took a Cobalt to 2nd behind the ITR, and it was THAT ITR with THAT driver - has anyone else won in DS in how long? lol And the IRL should be quicker - slightly lighter, lighter/smaller wheels, slightly better weight distribution than the 'balt, although they do have the FE5.
Anyway - I don't see a bunch of ITR's dominating DS like the MCS does in G. DSP on the other hand - well, like I said, i don't know what to say. The FWD penalty SHOULD be way harder a hit in DSP than in STX or DS. The WRX is dominant in STX but I think it's weight and lag can be beat in a good FWD, particularly ours. Remember the Car & Driver test with the SRT-4 ACR/Ion Redline/Cobalt SS/RSX/WRX? Granted - those aren't solo II drivers and they weren't on slicks. But the interesting part was that they used the same drivers in all 5 cars, and the non-LSD Ion was 2nd in the autocross part of the test, .04 behind the stickier-tired and LSD equiped ACR. It was waaay ahead of the WRX with equal drivers. It's just too bad more national-level drivers don't srive the GM twins!
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(Note that SCCA is discussing moving the ITRs up to BS and moving the Redlines/Cobalets down to GS -- looks like everyone knows the problems.)
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Jesus H Christ on a crutch and his mother Mary - when the hell are they going to stop fucking up GS/DS - and now move the ITR to BS - in an attempt tp patch up the glaring problem that is the MCS in G-Stock?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!? The GS PAX is now higher than DS, they've dropped several cars that CLEARLY fit the bill for the traditional DS class (Spec-V, new Si, new GTi, and so on) while orphaning other cars in DS that should have been dropped as well (Mazdaspeed Protege is the obvious one) all because they won't put the fucking Mini where it CLEARLY belongs. Not that I WANT the damned things in my class, but c'mon! This is STUPID! The two classes are now interchangeable but not in a good way, and GS is still a spec-Mini class. In the meantime, a dozen good cars are orphaned, and the cars they dropped to compete are now supposed to run FASTER than the cars they were deemed uncompetitive with to get dropped in the first place in order to PAX well!! So now the ITR moves up becuase of one driver who doesn't even own one anymore? And our cars get dropped down - making the MX-6, Prelude, Celica, and a dozen other "should be" good cars in GS even less attractive!? OMG - the BoD is smoking SO much crack...