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Old 03-23-2009, 09:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
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WTB: Factory Service Manual set - Ion Red Line or Cobalt SS

Looking for the set of 3 factory service manuals for the Ion Red Line or Cobalt SS. Any year will do as long as it covers the supercharged LSJ. Let me know what you have, condition, and asking price. Thanks!
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Old 03-23-2009, 09:25 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Sorry to threadjack, but I was looking at your site and your car looks suweeet!

What do you have done to the engine for 300/250? just curious...
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Old 03-23-2009, 10:18 PM   #3 (permalink)
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What do you have done to the engine for 300/250? just curious...
The Ecotec motor was available in the Atom for a limited time. Jay Leno bought the first, I have #94, and the car switched to the Honda Type R motor somewhere around #120. This motor was available from the factory in several power levels.

Brammo Motorsports (the factory that produced the car) hasn't disclosed all the details, but this is how it goes as best I understand it.

Along with the 300 level being crank and not wheel hp, a number of Atom owners have also felt that the factory was a little optimistic when stating this number (due to what many owners have seen when they've dyno'd). In general, parts that contribute to what this level motor offers: tubular ram's-horn equal-length header (that's port-matched pretty well), very short exhaust system, no cat, low-restriction muffler, all ceramic-coated. Dual-pass aftercooler option with high coolant capacity (radiator for aftercooler is in front of car, engine is in rear so lines hold a good amount), SPA fan dedicated to aftercooler with a second fan dedicated to radiator. Radiators are separated by 18" and not stacked. Motor and trans are solidly-mounted - there is no rubber in the mounts. ECU programming started out as GM Stage 3 and was optimized by GM specifically for this car and likely doesn't care one bit about mileage or emissions (amazing what you can do when that's the case), injectors and SC pulley sized to match, injectors are one foot from fuel pump & tank. There is a tiny alternator, and no a/c compressor or power steering pump to add to parasitic losses. Air intake is cold ram-air, no baffles or other sound control, force fed by the wind between driver and passenger's heads with a path into the tb & sc that's only about a foot long with a large K&N filter.

Since purchase, I've switched to a SmoothFlow modular pulley set up that's a hair smaller than the stock pulley, and fabricated a full 3" exhaust (compared to the stock 2.5") that's also Jet-Hot coated. I doubt that these two modifications have done all that much, but hey - every bit helps. A number of owners have had outstanding results going to water/meth injection next to run a bit more boost and this is probably in my future as well, mainly because it will greatly reduce temps & heat soak on the track. Owners that are certifiable have swapped the Eaton for a Harrop or gone to a turbo set up.

Photos of most of this stuff is available in the gallery on my website if anyone is interested in a close look at the layout and how everything is packaged.

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Old 03-23-2009, 10:50 PM   #4 (permalink)
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lol, i like the pic on ur website of you (i assume it's you) up against the cop car. That's a priceless picture, lol
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Old 03-24-2009, 05:51 AM   #5 (permalink)
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i can get you a full set of service manuals shipped to you for $200.. thats 3 or 4 books i believe.. brand new

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Old 03-24-2009, 05:52 AM   #6 (permalink)
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oh and i've gotten a ride in a 300 lsj atom that was owned here in albany and it was 100% stupid.. lol but in the most fun way possible. the thing sounded insane and drove even more insane.. i'm pretty sure i had a chubby the entire time
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lol, i like the pic on ur website of you (i assume it's you) up against the cop car. That's a priceless picture, lol
Yes, that's a car owned by a guy in my local sports car club. Drives it on the track too. If you liked that pic, I also have one that involves giving a certain gesture when sitting in my car with the black & white parked behind... but I hesitate to post it on a forum. All it takes is someone who lacks a sense of humor, and all of the sudden I'd be getting stopped all the time for no reason...

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i can get you a full set of service manuals shipped to you for $200..
Yeah, Crate Engine Depot has a set of 3 for around $130 new, but I was hoping to get a well-used set for less than that if I can - especially since only the engine and trans info is all that I can use. I appreciate the offer though.

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oh and i've gotten a ride in a 300 lsj atom that was owned here in albany and it was 100% stupid.
LOL, that's a very good way to describe it. The only bad part is that much stupid can get a person into trouble or worse very quickly, and easier than you can imagine. Especially since you can't extract most of what it offers on the street - that has to be saved for the occasional track day.
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Old 03-24-2009, 01:41 PM   #8 (permalink)
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YEA HE TRACKED THE CAR ABOUT 3 OR 4 TIMES AND HE JUST DIDN'T LIKE HOW EASY IT WAS TO OVERPOWER THE CAR.

on the street tho it wasn't even going to see tractyion till 3rd gear
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Old 03-24-2009, 02:30 PM   #9 (permalink)
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what all did you want out of it?
I could scan pages if you wanted.
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Haven't seen you since back in the TSN or so days lane.
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