Harrop TVS - Coming Soon!!

[AlphaJaguar5]

Originally Posted by SCblkRL

ummm....i don't think your 100% absolute in your truth there

I may not be 100% in the truth but only because I do not know EVERYONE that is getting one. However, I do know who IS so I can make the statement that SOME, if not all, will be going to everyday joes.

[WSFrazier]

Originally Posted by AlphaJaguar5

I may not be 100% in the truth but only because I do not know EVERYONE that is getting one. However, I do know who IS so I can make the statement that SOME, if not all, will be going to everyday joes.

+1 Alpha is pretty much right (usually never happens), I can vouch without saying much more.

[AlphaJaguar5]

Originally Posted by WSFrazier

+1 Alpha is pretty much right (usually never happens), I can vouch without saying much more.

lol, I have my moments

[Harrop]

Originally Posted by Darkmanx

This thread is dead, harrop isnt posting over here anymore all where doing is transferring stuff from ss.net over here we might as well just go there and read it ourselves.

It is not that we are ignoring the Redline guys, it is simply that I have more success getting a connection on the other forum than here. (It has taken 10 minutes of trying tonight!). It is impossible for me to have a preference - we dont get either car in Aussie.
However ... as I am typically doing this late at night it is easier just to post in the one thread (I'm lazy).

Originally Posted by SCblkRL

... snip ...what I'm meaning is they take the TVS, just like you would with a turbo, and "package" it with injectors, exhaust, tuning...whatever you would need to get it up and running. That way, us, who would be buying interested in buying/upgrading to this, would be able to buy at a much more affordable "package" pricing, instead of buying each individual part on its own at full cost. ... snip

We are already chatting with a few "Tuners" about this. Unfortunately, there appears to be a significant difference between the margin some Tuners consider they should be able to make on reselling a supercharger, and what we believe is realistic or commercially viable. We priced the units to make them affordable and have gambled that the quantity we sell will eventually earn us a profit (after ammortising the tooling). The only way we can maintain affordability is limit the amount of hands touching it before it is installed. When the resellers get greedy, everyone loses.

Having said all that ... we do have couple of "oulets" that are realistic and can see the long-term merit in being involved, so perhaps it will happen. It will probably take a while before the "package" can be defined, let alone consolidated.

[handyjoe]

Originally Posted by Harrop

It is not that we are ignoring the Redline guys, it is simply that I have more success getting a connection on the other forum than here. (It has taken 10 minutes of trying tonight!). It is impossible for me to have a preference - we dont get either car in Aussie.
However ... as I am typically doing this late at night it is easier just to post in the one thread (I'm lazy).



We are already chatting with a few "Tuners" about this. Unfortunately, there appears to be a significant difference between the margin some Tuners consider they should be able to make on reselling a supercharger, and what we believe is realistic or commercially viable. We priced the units to make them affordable and have gambled that the quantity we sell will eventually earn us a profit (after ammortising the tooling). The only way we can maintain affordability is limit the amount of hands touching it before it is installed. When the resellers get greedy, everyone loses.

Having said all that ... we do have couple of "oulets" that are realistic and can see the long-term merit in being involved, so perhaps it will happen. It will probably take a while before the "package" can be defined, let alone consolidated.

Well, knowing that I (as well as several others on this board) will really only need a good baseline tune made available, the package deal really doesn't mean that much to me. Others I'm sure will need it.

Thanks for your help! We appreciate what you guys are doing.

If you need someone (else?) to ensure that it fits in a redline as well as a Cobalt...I'm sure I could find somebody...

[RL_Clark]

The ideal option would be for Harrop to market the blower at their price (thus knocking out any middle man and further increasing consumer costs). THEN, have a package deal through a vendor that already sells injectors, plugs, pulleys, etc. that includes 60lb. injectors (or larger if needed), an HPTuners file (tuned specifically for the blower and kit being sold), possibly the LS4 TB, and whatever other necessities may be required for the upgrade. This knocks out the threat of more work for less profit on Harrop's part. It gives us something else to buy from another company that will see a greater profit margin (by selling stuff they normally would have difficulty marketing), and it would likely give us a pretty good deal on all of the parts. In all honesty, I would expect to end up paying around $3800 for the entire swap, up to substantially more if you were to actually go for the full potential (why buy it if you're not going to go all the way though?).
Anyhow, there's my $.02
Would I want to do this? Yes
Is it feasible to do within the next year? Likely not, my interest in the product is simply for the people that ARE going to do it. Provided everything works out, and I somehow stumble into extra coinage, yeah, I'll buy it.
Good luck Harrop!

[Harrop]

Originally Posted by RL_Clark

The ideal option would be for Harrop to market the blower at their price (thus knocking out any middle man and further increasing consumer costs). THEN, have a package deal through a vendor that already sells injectors, plugs, pulleys, etc. that includes 60lb. injectors (or larger if needed), an HPTuners file (tuned specifically for the blower and kit being sold), possibly the LS4 TB, and whatever other necessities may be required for the upgrade. This knocks out the threat of more work for less profit on Harrop's part. It gives us something else to buy from another company that will see a greater profit margin (by selling stuff they normally would have difficulty marketing), and it would likely give us a pretty good deal on all of the parts. ...snip

Well stated ... that's exactly what I was trying to convey.
Now its up to the appropriate & knowledgable vendors to make contact with us and be ready for the onslaught

[vlipke]

Originally Posted by RL_Clark

The ideal option would be for Harrop to market the blower at their price (thus knocking out any middle man and further increasing consumer costs). THEN, have a package deal through a vendor that already sells injectors, plugs, pulleys, etc. that includes 60lb. injectors (or larger if needed), an HPTuners file (tuned specifically for the blower and kit being sold), possibly the LS4 TB, and whatever other necessities may be required for the upgrade. This knocks out the threat of more work for less profit on Harrop's part. It gives us something else to buy from another company that will see a greater profit margin (by selling stuff they normally would have difficulty marketing), and it would likely give us a pretty good deal on all of the parts. In all honesty, I would expect to end up paying around $3800 for the entire swap, up to substantially more if you were to actually go for the full potential (why buy it if you're not going to go all the way though?).
Anyhow, there's my $.02
Would I want to do this? Yes
Is it feasible to do within the next year? Likely not, my interest in the product is simply for the people that ARE going to do it. Provided everything works out, and I somehow stumble into extra coinage, yeah, I'll buy it.
Good luck Harrop!

I guesss that would be all great, but what would the point be. Its already been stated that the number 4 piston has a huge air or fueling problem (apparently nobody knows wich one for sure)....
So great we can bolt on more power, but not without blowing the motor up. AM I missing something here? Or is it just assumed that people are going to spend three+ grand on this, and another 3 rebuildling the motor so it wont go POP, instead of just putting a turbo on the car, making the same kind of power, and not worrying about the pistons frying? Again am I missing something here?

[mrphoto103]

Originally Posted by Harrop

Well stated ... that's exactly what I was trying to convey.
Now its up to the appropriate & knowledgable vendors to make contact with us and be ready for the onslaught

I believe that is what SCBLKRL was saying as well, completely agree.

There was a place in SC that he suggested would be a good choice I think.

[handyjoe]

Originally Posted by vlipke

I guesss that would be all great, but what would the point be. Its already been stated that the number 4 piston has a huge air or fueling problem (apparently nobody knows wich one for sure)....
So great we can bolt on more power, but not without blowing the motor up. AM I missing something here? Or is it just assumed that people are going to spend three+ grand on this, and another 3 rebuildling the motor so it wont go POP, instead of just putting a turbo on the car, making the same kind of power, and not worrying about the pistons frying? Again am I missing something here?

How does the turbo add power differently than the supercharger?

The piston issue is going to need attention no matter how you add power.