Thoughts on the 05 Red Line

[Sp00ner]

Originally Posted by 05IsAlive

Like everyone has said, i doubt they'd go with the turbo. Saturns are (lets face it) for the "average" person. A turbo takes a bit more care than the "average" car driver is used to giving to their car (e.g. letting it warm up and cool down before and after hard driving). I would think maybe that they're going to go with the M90. 50% more supercharger displacement, and not a huge size difference.

Why wouldn't they just improve the engine under the hood already? People are convinced that this thing can handle 300+ horsepower. Why would they not just do it like the SRT's? Bump up the power another 20hp or so? The Cobalt and the Ion share the engine, and I seriously doubt they're going to scrap any part of it with less than 10,000 cars sold. It makes no sense economically. It has nothing to do with the turbos being for 'enthusiasts' either, else you'd have no turbos in Audi, VW's, Imprezas, or a host of other cars that 'average' people drive every day. GM dosen't like turbos, and they never have. It's just not thier thing, they prefer lower-revving, high torque motors, and thats not a turbos best area. If you see a turbo set up on the Sky, it's because they jacked the engine from the Opel Speedster. Turbos have been out there for decades, almost as long as superchargers, but how many do you see on GM cars?

[Catshreds]

Originally Posted by SilverBulletRL

turbo is going in mine anyway shhh

??? "splain it to me plain, Lucy!!

[BlckRdln04]

Originally Posted by SilverBulletRL

turbo is going in mine anyway shhh

Originally Posted by Catshreds

??? "splain it to me plain, Lucy!!

Me too......

[Sp00ner]

I pray he wouldn't spend the money to replace the supercharger with a turbo charger... that would be the most expensive 10hp upgrade in the world..

[matt]

Originally Posted by Sp00ner

I wouldn't count on seeing it with a turbo, GM has a serious distaste for turbos. Otherwise, there would have been alot less development time on this car, they would have used the Saab setup. It was already on the 2.0, they yanked it off to put a supercharger on it. I don't want a turbo either, I MUCH prefer the supercharger over the turbo. What I'm seeing, is more and more GM cars coming with superchargers, they might go the turbo route, but I'd be pretty dissapointed.

From what I've heard from GM sources, GM is going to fade out using superchargers and go to turbos later on. Who knows how soon it will be tough. I don't see why they shouldn't, GM had much succes with turbos on the turbo Buick cars, Syclone, and Typhoon.

Originally Posted by Vita

i bet they'll be using a beefed up version of the 2.4 w/turbo as the HO version of the solstice/sky, and it will find it's way into plenty of other gm cars, but i'd prefer they stick to S/C their cars

Nope. It's already been announced that the Red Line Sky will have a 253 HP 2.0 turbo Ecotec.

[Sp00ner]

Originally Posted by matt

From what I've heard from GM sources, GM is going to fade out using superchargers and go to turbos later on. Who knows how soon it will be tough. I don't see why they shouldn't, GM had much succes with turbos on the turbo Buick cars, Syclone, and Typhoon.

Why retool when you have something that works just fine? Half the people here bought the Redline over something else, due to the instant power of the supercharger. You can say that they're phasing them out, but all I've seen so far is even more cars with them. So if they're going to phase them out, it seem kinds silly to build more and more cars with them. I just don't see them doing it without chaning their whole approach to making power. The day GM starts cranking out high revving turbos, is the day I start buying Fords...