I beat up on some fords today

[mbhmustang98]

Originally Posted by clownhair

looks like there was about an 8k dollar difference in msrp price. Also stock c5 vette vs stock cobra = very close races. Depending on drivers the vette would win some, cobra would win some.

Yes so 8k less u can have just as fast car as the vette. Stock for stock. And if u took that cobra and put 3k in mods and had 5k left over u could smash the vette. Granted a vette has nicer neccesities and interior, i do like vettes dont get me wrong i want a c5 bad, but id take an 03/04 cobra before one anyday.

[Sp00ner]

Originally Posted by mbhmustang98

Yes so 8k less u can have just as fast car as the vette. Stock for stock. And if u took that cobra and put 3k in mods and had 5k left over u could smash the vette. Granted a vette has nicer neccesities and interior, i do like vettes dont get me wrong i want a c5 bad, but id take an 03/04 cobra before one anyday.

First of all, it's not just as fast as the Vette.

'04 Cobra:
390hp
3,660lbs

'04 Vette:
400hp
3179lbs

MAYBE down a 1/4 mile run it is, but if you put them on the track together, it's not as close as you're making it out to be. So by the time you fix the Cobra's features that are lagging behind the Vette, suspension and brakes, you don't have anywhere close to $8,000 left over. Not to mention you'll max out the suspension and the brakes in order to match or slightly exceed the Vette. Seeing as how the Cobra already has aftermarket Brembos, you're even gonna have a hard time doing the brakes. Unless you're gonna spend $5,000 on just brakes.

Bottom line, on a drag strip, they could be considered close. On a real race track though, it's not even a race. The Cobra would have it's ass handed to it on a platter, over and over again. The factory performance options for the Vette aren't even mentioned here, needless to say, that would make it even worse for the Cobra, but that makes the Vette cost more. They're not in the same class, the only one that was even close was the Cobra-R, and we all know where that fine machine is now. In a museum somewhere. The only thing that the Cobras were designed to do, was to beat the Camaro SS and TransAm WS6, for $5,000 more on average. Comparing them to the Vette was something that Ford was trying to avoid, but they let the price climb too high. They did a good job beating the SS's, but most people wouldn't put them in the same class due to price. Now, if you're gonna start talking about modded ones, there's this little company in Indiana, makes some nice FACTORY available kits for the Vette, Lingen-something... Oh yea, Lingenfelter Engineering, wanna put a modded Cobra up against their 220mph Uber-Vette? It makes Saleen's and Roush's run and hide when the engine turns over...

[SpikemanII]

Originally Posted by Sp00ner

It still dosen't matter around here. I have a bright red one, with the big spoiler, the badges, and the ground effects. People still assume it's a dressed up Saturn coupe with nothing under the hood. I could put a banner around the car that says 'THIS CAR HAS A SUPERCHARGER! COME GET SOME!', and I would still get someone in a rusted out civic from 1985 revving at me in traffic.

I had the same thing happen to me. I have a huge red redline decal on the back window, and two smaller red RL decals on the back windows. IMHO, it looks pretty cool. But I still had some a-hole ask me why I didn't get the RL. WTF? I just looked at him like he was a complete idiot. And I love the rice running up on you revving like a raped ape. Too funny!

[elohdaeh78]

Originally Posted by Sp00ner

First of all, it's not just as fast as the Vette.

'04 Cobra:
390hp
3,660lbs

'04 Vette:
400hp
3179lbs

MAYBE down a 1/4 mile run it is, but if you put them on the track together, it's not as close as you're making it out to be. So by the time you fix the Cobra's features that are lagging behind the Vette, suspension and brakes, you don't have anywhere close to $8,000 left over. Not to mention you'll max out the suspension and the brakes in order to match or slightly exceed the Vette. Seeing as how the Cobra already has aftermarket Brembos, you're even gonna have a hard time doing the brakes. Unless you're gonna spend $5,000 on just brakes.

Bottom line, on a drag strip, they could be considered close. On a real race track though, it's not even a race. The Cobra would have it's ass handed to it on a platter, over and over again. The factory performance options for the Vette aren't even mentioned here, needless to say, that would make it even worse for the Cobra, but that makes the Vette cost more. They're not in the same class, the only one that was even close was the Cobra-R, and we all know where that fine machine is now. In a museum somewhere. The only thing that the Cobras were designed to do, was to beat the Camaro SS and TransAm WS6, for $5,000 more on average. Comparing them to the Vette was something that Ford was trying to avoid, but they let the price climb too high. They did a good job beating the SS's, but most people wouldn't put them in the same class due to price. Now, if you're gonna start talking about modded ones, there's this little company in Indiana, makes some nice FACTORY available kits for the Vette, Lingen-something... Oh yea, Lingenfelter Engineering, wanna put a modded Cobra up against their 220mph Uber-Vette? It makes Saleen's and Roush's run and hide when the engine turns over...

they really don't even beat the SS and WS6's. A stock cobra is good for low 13s and with an amazing driver on a perfect day it can dip into the 12s, but then again so can a LS1 SS or WS6. I think they are pretty even in performance. And you are right about the Vette being a much better all around car. The mustang cobra isn't a track car at all. There were a few articles about it in a car and driver or motor trend in which it got its ass handed to it by a few slower cars on a track.

[Sp00ner]

Originally Posted by elohdaeh78

they really don't even beat the SS and WS6's. A stock cobra is good for low 13s and with an amazing driver on a perfect day it can dip into the 12s, but then again so can a LS1 SS or WS6. I think they are pretty even in performance. And you are right about the Vette being a much better all around car. The mustang cobra isn't a track car at all. There were a few articles about it in a car and driver or motor trend in which it got its ass handed to it by a few slower cars on a track.

They're great cars, for a sports COUPE, the Corvette is an all around sports CAR. You never see Cobras out runnning with Porsches and Ferraris. Judged by itself, it's a fine car, but against the Vette, most cars look like crap. Sorry, it's just a homerun that GM keeps hitting.

[XeroState]

Unless I am mistaken, Cobra's are considered sports cars, where Vette's are super cars. If you want to compare them, take the Ford GT40 against a Vette (I like the Vette better) or their newly designed Shelby Cobra's. Then you have a comparison. But comparing a sports car to a super car is like comparing an economy car to a sports car, if you max the econo out in options, it is slightly less then the cheapest sports car you can find. After all, the Vette is the cheapest *real* super car out there, as most are over 100 grand with prices generally getting to 150's area. Just my .02 and again, I could be wrong on the Cobra being classified as a sports car.

[Sp00ner]

Originally Posted by XeroState

Unless I am mistaken, Cobra's are considered sports cars, where Vette's are super cars. If you want to compare them, take the Ford GT40 against a Vette (I like the Vette better) or their newly designed Shelby Cobra's. Then you have a comparison. But comparing a sports car to a super car is like comparing an economy car to a sports car, if you max the econo out in options, it is slightly less then the cheapest sports car you can find. After all, the Vette is the cheapest *real* super car out there, as most are over 100 grand with prices generally getting to 150's area. Just my .02 and again, I could be wrong on the Cobra being classified as a sports car.

First off, I never said the Corvette should be compared to the Cobra, I was saying quite the opposite. How do you compare a Corvette to other supercars? When I hear supercar, I think Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc. That's WAY off base, only in the raw speed and handling can they be compared. 'Supercars' is a term that people use to define incredible cars, I've never heard it as a definition of anything concrete. Sports cars don't have rear seats, you can call any car a sports car if you don't want to use that definition, but that's the one that I'm used to. If you look at his previous posts, there was a debate about the Cobra 'destroying' a Corvette, not my comparison, but if someone wants to compare....

The sad part is the fact that people buy Cobra's and think that they can run with Corvetttes, make no mistake, 90% of the people out there consider them in the same class. The fact is, they really are in the same class. The power is similar, the target consumer is similar, and the price is similar. The problem, is that the Corvette makes anything in, and above, it's class look like an over-rated POS. Now, if you want to compare it to the Ford Gt, and it's MUCH higher price tag, that's fine, but the GT is going to win, more than likely. Run the new Z06 against it, you might have a race. The fact that you can compare the Vette to cars that should hand it it's ass on a platter, is just a bonus, kinda like the Redline...

[mbhmustang98]

Sorry i am not much a corner carver so i look at 1/4 times more then lateral g's and saloms numbers, if thats how u spell it. I like to take some turns and stuff but not into it at all as much as dragging. Hey i like all v8 muscle cars and a few American 4 bangers. I would love to get a c5 when the stang was paid off. Might be able to afford a 10 year old 97 c5 but hey it still be bad ass. Just wouldnt be economical with my daughter and all so the redline is still winning. Id like to get a newer cobra too or 05 Mustang GT design but then again they wouldnt get as much on gas as a redline. So i hope they still make them new and i like the design or ill have to get a slightly used one.