to install the possible twin charger or not???

[redlineRACER]

if the twin-charger concept does eventually become produced..would it be wise to install in our redlines..i know it will almost definetly void our warranties...but is turbo smart to put in our cars?...isnt turbo bad for your car especially in the long run?..it seems like this would put a lot of strain on the engine, transmission, etc...would we have to get new cams, pistons, etc...because the boost mod, other mods, plus turbo...a lot of horse and torque...could our cars handle this..if so for how long . how much horse and torque do you think the twincharger would add, how would or 0-60, 1/8th mile, 1/4 mile times be affected...dont get me wrong i want more performance out of the redline bad, but i am worried what will happen in the long run...and is there any new info on this kit???...

[Sp00ner]

Originally Posted by redlineRACER

if the twin-charger concept does eventually become produced..would it be wise to install in our redlines..i know it will almost definetly void our warranties...but is turbo smart to put in our cars?...isnt turbo bad for your car especially in the long run?..it seems like this would put a lot of strain on the engine, transmission, etc...would we have to get new cams, pistons, etc...because the boost mod, other mods, plus turbo...a lot of horse and torque...could our cars handle this..if so for how long . how much horse and torque do you think the twincharger would add, how would or 0-60, 1/8th mile, 1/4 mile times be affected...dont get me wrong i want more performance out of the redline bad, but i am worried what will happen in the long run...and is there any new info on this kit???...

There's nothing worse about adding a turbo than a supercharger. Inside the engine it has no idea what is hooked up to it. If the engine can handle the boost, it can handle the boost. As long as you're not running 40lbs of boost, and driving like a maniac, you should be fine. Will it be harder on the car? Yes. So is adding an exhaust, intake, turning up the boost on the supercharger, etc. Anything that gets more air/fuel into the engine is adding stress, this engine is built to handle stress and lots of it. With regards to engine life and turbos, the turbo will give out long before the engine does, if you abuse it. In terms of power, it just depends on how much boost you're running with the system.

[redlineRACER]

with the boost upgrade, headers, intake, cat back what will our gas mileage be like? what about after the twincharger? will the boost control help get us better gas mileage?

[haunter]

no, you will make much more HP, will will require much more fuel

however in general the intake header catback should improve gas mileage a bit

[gm3saturn]

Keep in mind that all methods of forced induction are nothing more then complex intake systems. because of that with the proper fuel being added (haveing the corect air/fuel ratio) your engine will never know the difference in terms of ware and tear.

[myredline]

The only other thing is heat. Turbos produce way more heat than a supercharger. So when they do the twin set up they will need to have a lot better cooling not just a better intercooler.

[Sp00ner]

Originally Posted by myredline

The only other thing is heat. Turbos produce way more heat than a supercharger. So when they do the twin set up they will need to have a lot better cooling not just a better intercooler.

I 'know' GM already has a part number for a new aftercooler, you could also intercool the turbo seperate of the supercharger. I know that's a lot of piping, but it's possible. Not to mention that you really don't have both making full boost at the same time. Plus, if you get enough boost, you can still make power, as long as it overcomes the effect of heat. Look at the GrandPrixs, they don't even intercool them, just blow hot air into the manifold. Supposedly the Laminova aftercooler that we have is supposed to be a very good design. The cooling system of the car should be more than adequate for quite a while, the aftercooler could use an upgrade with a turbo slapped onto the supercharger, but I'm not sure it would be required to get it to run right.

[myredline]

I'm used to my MR2 which is running about 20lbs and makes enough heat to melt the paint.

[Sp00ner]

Originally Posted by myredline

I'm used to my MR2 which is running about 20lbs and makes enough heat to melt the paint.

Oh I think the twincharger would be pretty warm! I just don't know anything about after/intercoolers. I keep hearing that the one we have is very good, unless you ask someone into turbos, then an Air-to-Air one is the only one they will talk about. I wish I knew what the intake charge temp is now. As long as you keep the heat reasonable, you will make more power regardless. You might be able to make more power with a cooler charge, but you'd still be making a pretty decent gain either way. As long as the charge dosen't get so hot that detonation starts popping up, I think all would be fine.

[Redline686]

I've heard of twin-turbos and even twin super chargers on some old mercedes but a combonation? To me the only way possible is if 2 of the cylinders ran on super and the others on turbo. If you flow the compressed air from the turbo charger directly into the supercharger, it wouldn't be able to compress it anymore unless it were spinning at like 40,000 rpms (it would be long exploded by then anyway). I just have a hard time believing that the M62 on our cars could compress a charge even more. To use a metaphor, wouldn't it be like you (the supercharger) try to spin a marry-go-round thats going fast than your hand? Tell me if i have a valid point or i just have down syndrome.