Have you guys heard of these guys?

[KevinRR]

have you guys heard of these guys

http://www.rsmracing.com/
or these guys
http://www.speedmafia.com/

i was taking to a guy online and he said he pulled his SC and did a Centrifigal(dont know if that is how you spell it?) SC and his redline had higher performance?

Also why would you want to take off our sc for another sc arent they all the same?

sorry if i sound dumb?

[rlinbatonrouge]

There's a guy on here that has some of his stuff. He always types with caps lock on. He'll post soon, he checks pretty frequently.

[Sp00ner]

Originally Posted by KevinRR

have you guys heard of these guys

http://www.rsmracing.com/
or these guys
http://www.speedmafia.com/

i was taking to a guy online and he said he pulled his SC and did a Centrifigal(dont know if that is how you spell it?) SC and his redline had higher performance?

Also why would you want to take off our sc for another sc arent they all the same?

sorry if i sound dumb?

I'd like to know how he did that to a RL. Maybe to a QC.

They aren't all the same, a Centri-blower is basically the compressor 1/2 of a turbo charger. Idea for high end boost and power increases. However, they have NOTHING down low. I've actaully argued with the guy from Speed Mafia about it. I'd never buy jack from them. He hates this car. Stopped going to whatever board that was...

Told me that the biggest mistake Saturn ever made was making the Redline. He then sat there and bashed for for 3 days about smoking me in a bone stock, Procharger-equipped Ion making 6-8psi.

I'd ask him how he went about replacing the entire front 1/2 of the engine, and why he would do it. You'd be better off going to a turbo setup, since that's all the work needed.

RSM racing seems to make OK stuff, we have a member here running a few of their things...

[redd214]

RSM is a very good company ive been buying parts from them for years. good products and good service.

[saturnd00d]

Originally Posted by Sp00ner

I've actaully argued with the guy from Speed Mafia about it. I'd never buy jack from them. He hates this car. Stopped going to whatever board that was...

Told me that the biggest mistake Saturn ever made was making the Redline. He then sat there and bashed for for 3 days about smoking me in a bone stock, Procharger-equipped Ion making 6-8psi...RSM racing seems to make OK stuff, we have a member here running a few of their things...

The guy from Speed Mafia doesn't hate our car, and I don't know where you got that from. He's regularly on turbosaturns.net and visits the ION/Ecotec forum quite frequently on there. One of the members of turbosaturns.net has a procharger newly installed into his ION 3. GOes like hell. Honestly, there's a reason that Corvette owners and the like all love procharger kits. The kits are more efficient than equivalent supercharger units out there. 7 or 8 psi through a procharger unit is equivalent to 11 or 12 psi through another blower. It's almost as efficient as a turbo, and 8 psi may very well keep up with or slightly surpass a redline.

RSM racing doesn't just make OK stuff, they are very high quality. I have met the team, and I have seen their supercharger kits for grand am's and grand prix's. The units are all high quality, and RSM stands behind all their work.

I'd recommend either of the two companies listed, for different reasons. And Spooner, just because someone might have taken a jab at the redline (a car you happen to own), doesnt mean they don't know jack about the car. True, a redline is a very good car and certainly a bargain for the money IMO, but there are those that might have a slightly different opinion. For my lowly sedan, I am considering a procharger myself. It seems like an excellent unit.

[KevinRR]

Originally Posted by Sp00ner

I'd like to know how he did that to a RL. Maybe to a QC.

They aren't all the same, a Centri-blower is basically the compressor 1/2 of a turbo charger. Idea for high end boost and power increases. However, they have NOTHING down low. I've actaully argued with the guy from Speed Mafia about it. I'd never buy jack from them. He hates this car. Stopped going to whatever board that was...

Told me that the biggest mistake Saturn ever made was making the Redline. He then sat there and bashed for for 3 days about smoking me in a bone stock, Procharger-equipped Ion making 6-8psi.

I'd ask him how he went about replacing the entire front 1/2 of the engine, and why he would do it. You'd be better off going to a turbo setup, since that's all the work needed.

RSM racing seems to make OK stuff, we have a member here running a few of their things...

damn i didnt mean for anybodies feelings to get hurt....i just recently talked to some guys that pulled there SC off there Ford Corbra 2003's and put on an ATI prochargers and they said they where really happy and are running less pressure and making more horse power? it just didnt make sense to me how you run less pressure or boost or psi and make more power they said something about more 02 or denser air?

but i did call both companies and both seem really really smart about Sport Compact cars,...but i will admit that they guy speedmafia admited that he works on allot of high ends stuff and V-8's and V-10's in vipers and such but said the 2.2 he as been playing with since 03 or 02 in sunfiires but they didnt make 2.2's in sunfires in 02 did they???? any hoot...i think both companies know there stuff but i did ask speed guy about redlines and he laughed and said they are great little cars for sporting around in and blah blah blah and allot of fun and he didnt say anything bad i was trying to pick a little fight with him or push his buttons...he didnt fall for it? maybe you caught him on a bad day?

oh and i guys chris at rsm said you ahve to tap the oil on a vortec or something? why would you want oil in the SC? does our redlines have oil lines running to them?

[mailmars]

Originally Posted by saturnd00d

The kits are more efficient than equivalent supercharger units out there. 7 or 8 psi through a procharger unit is equivalent to 11 or 12
psi through another blower.

And you changed physical laws of gas when?


Mark

[KevinRR]

Originally Posted by mailmars

And you changed physical laws of gas when?


Mark

i guess that would make sends as from what i have read the ATI is less hot there for air is more dense and addiing more o2 in lower psi where as higher psi in a turbo would have more heat less o2 so you ahve to raise the boost to get the same about of air then an ATI? or hell i am probably way off what do i know? i dont even know how to double clutch!

[mailmars]

Originally Posted by KevinRR

i guess that would make sends as from what i have read the ATI is less hot there for air is more dense and addiing more o2 in lower psi where as higher psi in a turbo would have more heat less o2 so you ahve to raise the boost to get the same about of air then an ATI? or hell i am probably way off what do i know? i dont even know how to double clutch!

If you take a really close look at the website, almost all of the comparisons are made with out the other chargers being cooled and their charger being cooled.. Centrifuge chargers are not bad for high revving engines and you want most of the gains near the top end. Remember, you NEVER GET SOMETHING FOR NOTHING.

Now, if you take a look at the charts supplied on the procharger website, they are showing a 28 degree charge air delta after the intercooler. Using the numbers from Eaton of a delta temp of 150 degrees and intercooler efficiency value of 75 percent (which is at the very bottom end of our intercooler) the temp change is 37.5 degrees.. so using the

75+28=103 degrees
75+37.5=112.5

Now we use zero percent humidity/zero feet altitude and the altimeter pressure of 29.235 (for a constant).

for 103 degrees:

The air density is 1.1036kg/m3 the SAE HP correction is 97.3 percent

for 112.5 degrees:

The air density is 1.0883kg/m3 and the SAE HP correction is 96.3 percent.

So your net effect is 1 percent, so by the book you get 2.5 hp increase at the top end only and lose some HP in the low and mid range... Seems worth several thousand dollars to me.....




Mark

[Sp00ner]

[quote=saturnd00d]The guy from Speed Mafia doesn't hate our car, and I don't know where you got that from. He's regularly on turbosaturns.net and visits the ION/Ecotec forum quite frequently on there. One of the members of turbosaturns.net has a procharger newly installed into his ION 3. GOes like hell. Honestly, there's a reason that Corvette owners and the like all love procharger kits. The kits are more efficient than equivalent supercharger units out there. 7 or 8 psi through a procharger unit is equivalent to 11 or 12 psi through another blower. It's almost as efficient as a turbo, and 8 psi may very well keep up with or slightly surpass a redline.
QUOTE]

The reason being people with small-blocks don't need low end torque. They need high end hp. Which is what a Cetri-blower is great for. You'll notice that a Corvette is not the same as a 4cyl, FWD car. I know a guy with a Camaro running a Procharger, 750+ hp, but he gets no boost till 3-4000 rpms. It's meant for high rpm power more than low rpm torque. I assure you, that if he had come on here, talkinging the smack that he did, people here would roast him. As soon as I pointed out anything good about the RL, he simply attacked me personally. There's a reason that GM built the car the way they did, instead of just throwing a cetrifigual blower on the car, which would have been much cheaper than the integrated setup they used.

He asked about the company, and I answered him. I'll be right back, and I'll post the smack that he was talking...