TSB #'s and Recall #'s

[Sp00ner]

#04-08-45-005B - (Nov 16, 2005)
No Crank or No Start, DTC B2960 and/or B3033 Set (Replace Body Control Module (BCM) and Ignition Switch, If Necessary)

No Crank or No Start, DTC B2960 and/or B3033 Set (Replace Body Control Module [BCM] and Ignition Switch, If Necessary)
2003-2006 Saturn ION

Built Up To and Including VIN Breakpoint 6Z147837

Please make notte that this is a BULLETIN not a recall, so to qualify for the recommended repair the vehicle must have experienced the NO START (as many here have reported) AND have either of those 2 DTCS stored in the BCM

[selfinfliction]

any of you guys got access to the cobalt ss ones?

[vannatte]

I had some B.S. happen on Thanksgiving after I started my car (it was very cold outside) and it irradically idled up and down and smelled rich. It sounds like this TSB:
Engine Runs Rough After Extended Crank, and/or Engine Hesitation on Acceleration after Initial Cold Start During Ambient Temperatures Below 10° C (50° F) (Reprogram Powertrain Control Module [PCM]) TSB# 05-06-04-006

I'm guessing the dealer will be unable to do anything about this because they will be "unable to duplicate". It's only happened to me once, so I doubt they'd be able to get it to act up. Anyone else have this issue?

[RedlineKid]

okay sorry but im a noob what is a TSB and if there is a recall then what do i do take my car in and get it fixed

[Freakazoid]

Originally Posted by RedlineKid

okay sorry but im a noob what is a TSB and if there is a recall then what do i do take my car in and get it fixed

Correct me if I'm saying anything incorrectly...

TSB = Technical Safety Bulletin.
A TSB is basically a 'mini-recall'.

A recall is when something is wrong over a lot (all?) of cars produced. Basically it's something that you can more or less take to a dealer and be like hey fix this, and it's pretty much something that should be fixed as soon as you can.

A TSB is an issue with a car that only affects some cars, not sure what the cutoff point is between a TSB and a recall in terms of the number of cars that must show the problem. But basically if you can signify to your dealer that you're having a problem that is affecting the driveability to a car, and it's a TSB. You know, one, others are having the problem, and two, as long as you can duplicate it to the dealer, you shouldn't have a problem having them fix it for you.


Basically TSBs and recalls are things that were produced poorly/wrong from the factory and have affected a significant amount of other cars. And the fix is covered regardless of warranty status, etc.

[RedlineKid]

Thanks i feel inlightened by the knowledge you have shared and hope to return the favor in due time.

[Sp00ner]

Alot of the difference, is based on safety. If its something that can injure you, they're alot more likely to make it a recall than if it's something else.

You'll probably never see a recall for the bumper scratches, but you did for the fuel rail leaking. Even though the scratches are more common. Ya know?

[Freakazoid]

Originally Posted by Sp00ner

Alot of the difference, is based on safety. If its something that can injure you, they're alot more likely to make it a recall than if it's something else.

You'll probably never see a recall for the bumper scratches, but you did for the fuel rail leaking. Even though the scratches are more common. Ya know?

ahh that would make sense.

[RedlineKid]

Originally Posted by Sp00ner

Alot of the difference, is based on safety. If its something that can injure you, they're alot more likely to make it a recall than if it's something else.

You'll probably never see a recall for the bumper scratches, but you did for the fuel rail leaking. Even though the scratches are more common. Ya know?

i've got a bumber scratch so if i just call and say hey i saw that there was a TSB out will they fix it?

[Freakazoid]

bumper scratch that sp00ner is talking about is probably different than what you're thinking, the bumper scratches he's talking about is caused by (if I remember right) the bumper rubbing