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01-03-2009 04:19 PM
adamkob32 I'm not trying to discourage you guys, but the IRL will not be competitive with the current SM rules set, even with the new proposed 2000lb min weight it's not going to happen. I've driven one of the top SM civics on occasion, and the thing is just phenominal. I'm speaking of the 1988 Civic of Chris Janusz. I've also owned a national competitive sts civic, and have worked on that a lot. The civics suspension design and geometry is so superior it's not even funny.

That's my 2 bits.

--Adam
01-03-2009 04:09 PM
alredline04 I have been following the discussion on the SCCA forums. Seems there is concern about it having an effect on the overall SM entrants, considering SM is already relatively small. It seems most people who compete on a national level have ideal cars built to the rules in their class. Makes since. The RL is perfect to be built to prepared class IMO. I think it could be competitive in SMF too.

I like the idea of raising the minimum weight to 2000. The Civic's already have great classes to play in. A lot of the newer FWD high HP cars are kind heavy, aren't they. I think it would be nice for us guys with engine mods to have a place to play.

I wrote in a while ago expressing my interest in SMF and they replied back saying it would be in the next fast track, which it was. There was a guy at the Toledo Pro Solo last July in a SRT4 complaining that he did not have a chance against the AWD's launch ability. I think that's where it all started.
01-03-2009 02:18 PM
scottherbert
Smf

I thought I would share that there seems to be a lot of complaining about a possible SMF class among the SCCA regulars -- but their issues revolve aroung the minimum weight issue -- with the thinking going that only old Honda Civics would have a chance in SMF (probably true).

There's been discussion about raising the minimum weight to 2000 lbs.

Otherwise, there's only complaining about SMF and mulitple people writing letter to SCCA national.

Interesting...

Scott
01-01-2009 04:20 PM
ionick05 I will be competing in SMF this season aswell. I need some serious attention to the suspension b4 i can be really competitive. But at least it will help the cause. And i will have more than 1 other competitor, DS has a poor showing in Las Vegas.
I am still a newbie really, but auto-x recently saved my life. Im gonna post a thread asap. Check it out !
01-01-2009 11:29 AM
scottherbert
SMF Seems to be Alive!

Just thought I'd include a message from today's Rocky Mountain SCCA site. I've included Mark's entire message.

"Local SM-F Class...

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Is anyone interested in forming a local SM-F class for the RMSOLO Summer Series this year? It would run under the current SM rules as far as mods and PAX go. ALL FWD cars would be eligible (DelSols & CRX's normally in SSM (SM2)). With the amount of FWD SM cars that we have running these days, it could be a fun class.

From the January Fastrack...

STREET MODIFIED
- SMF would encompass ALL FWD cars under the current SM weight formula: 1550 lbs + 125 lbs/liter
- All SM rules will apply, with the following exceptions: Cars running in SMF using tires with a nominal width of 275 or less will NOT receive the weight break as stated in SM.
-FWD vehicles originally classed in SSM (formerly known as SM2) add 100 lbs
to min weights.

Splitting up SM has the benefit of aiding the T&S people when setting up heats and run orders, as well as setting work assignments.

Running in the class would be optional.
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Mark "I'm not Knuckles" Foust
Bailey, Colorado
1996 Honda Civic EX Coupe - #68 SM
1999 Acura Integra GSR - #68 STS
1999 Honda Civic HX Coupe
1981 Honda GL-1100 Interstate
Apex Racing Group"


Scott
12-30-2008 07:15 AM
adamkob32
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Originally Posted by alredline04 View Post
They were Grand Am hubs. Not sure if there is a difference between the G6. I've looked into it and the only downsides I can see is that Grand am hubs are about $50 more each and the rears require a good deal of modification. I go through a set of front hubs about every other year.
Hahah just like an s-series then lawlz. Front bearings ever 2, rear bearings about every half year lol. This is with 40 autox days a year though.

--Adam
12-30-2008 03:33 AM
alredline04 They were Grand Am hubs. Not sure if there is a difference between the G6. I've looked into it and the only downsides I can see is that Grand am hubs are about $50 more each and the rears require a good deal of modification. I go through a set of front hubs about every other year.
12-29-2008 07:33 PM
adamkob32 I think they used G6 hubs on those Cobalts. Which I guess is a standard bolt pattern, and I believe probably larger brakes as well.

--Adam
12-29-2008 07:01 PM
scottherbert
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Originally Posted by alredline04 View Post
Is drilling the bolt pattern out on an existing wheel an option? If there was something that could work I could just drill them out at work.
It's possible, but I wouldn't recommend it. Keeping everything exactly centered would be an issue and there's always the possibility of inducing cracks on the wheel which could cause the wheel to fail dramatically.

I've heard of it being done.

Another possibility, for the Cobalts used for time attack by GM, they re-drilled the hubs to accept a larger bolt pattern (if I recall correctly, they actually drilled the existing holes larger to accept larger lug studs -- and when they did this, they drilled each hole on the outside edge -- the result was a larger, very common bolt pattern and they slightly oversized the bolt holes on the wheels to accept the bigger diameter lug studs). I suspect this would be a better option and you could probably read about it on a GM site somewhere.

Scott
12-29-2008 01:53 PM
alredline04 Is drilling the bolt pattern out on an existing wheel an option? If there was something that could work I could just drill them out at work.
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