well after all that talk about the 05, how the tranny wasnt letting the engine "engage" fast enough....my friend borrowed his girlfriends stock 98 gtp. we both lined up...its about 15-20 degrees out, so most of you know how bad my launch was, his wasnt to much better, but it was, he got about 1-1.5 cars on my and it about stayed that way. so i pulled up next to him and said lets go from a roll since i cant launch, so we went about 25, i dropped it into second and we stayed even til about 70 n i started to pull n he left off. so all in all, im thinkin a pre 04 gtp is about the same as our cars. But im sure i could get about a car on him when the weather warms up.