I apologize in advance for the long post, but I think the Redline is going to prove to be Saturn's downfall. The 70s had the Chevy Vega and the 80s had Pontiac's Fiero that nearly brought GM to their knees financially. I am old fart and was alive back then.
Unfortunately, Saturn can't keep up with the problems these cars have developed, especially the 04s! Cam sensors seals, ECU reprograming for cold starting & bucking, poor fuel mileage, inconsistent performance, cars going into limp mode for no apparent reason, ignition switch starting issues, gouged brake rotors causing poor braking, constant squeeks in the doors and rear seats, paint scratches from a poorly designed trunk lid, poorly designed oil filter location (for this application), incurable steering pulling to one side under braking or during normal driving, but I'm sure I've missed a few. All these problems in only 2600 cars. How much longer do we sit here and let Saturn screw with us!
My most recent is overheating of the clutch fluid (apparently shared with the brake resevoir) due to excessive (45 minutes constant) daily stop & go driving during rush hour. I spoke with TAC directly and they told me to avoid this type of driving as our cars have a HD clutch and the cars were not designed for this!?! I can't imagine an SRT4 with this problem. I've been driving stick since '72 (my 240Z) and never had problems like this. No cure available at this time. This is a new car, not some $1K junker!!! I don't know about you all, but I'm ready to bail!
I first saw the RL at the Miami Auto Show in November and went that weekend to get one (along with two 2005 Pontiac Vibes). I traded in two 2002 Z28 Camaros and an 03 S10 Pickup to buy these three cars and was excited about the purchases. The Pontiacs are fine (made by Toyota), but I am very sorry I got the Saturn.
Four trips to the dealer for major brake problems, the last they overcut the rotors and returned the car to me without letting me know. When I had brake failure at 70 mph all they could say was "oops sorry, we'll order new rotors." I spoke with Saturn reps but they keep insisting the problems can be fixed, I just need to be patient. I've also requested an 05 RL to replace this Turkey, but of course they won't even consider it. They said they didn't want to start a precedence.
So far the car I bought on 11/15 has been in for repair for a total of 18 days with no loaner provided. Tonight I began completing the paperwork to file for the Lemon Law with this one. I can't have a new car (3700 miles) that's in the shop 1/3 the time while I still make $400/month payments.
You may have some wise ass comeback to my situation, but don't waste your time showing your immaturity. That way I won't laugh when it happens to you. I would welcome any constructive ideas you might have and especially the idea of jointly approaching Saturn to get their act together and fix our cars!
Unfortunately, Saturn can't keep up with the problems these cars have developed, especially the 04s! Cam sensors seals, ECU reprograming for cold starting & bucking, poor fuel mileage, inconsistent performance, cars going into limp mode for no apparent reason, ignition switch starting issues, gouged brake rotors causing poor braking, constant squeeks in the doors and rear seats, paint scratches from a poorly designed trunk lid, poorly designed oil filter location (for this application), incurable steering pulling to one side under braking or during normal driving, but I'm sure I've missed a few. All these problems in only 2600 cars. How much longer do we sit here and let Saturn screw with us!
My most recent is overheating of the clutch fluid (apparently shared with the brake resevoir) due to excessive (45 minutes constant) daily stop & go driving during rush hour. I spoke with TAC directly and they told me to avoid this type of driving as our cars have a HD clutch and the cars were not designed for this!?! I can't imagine an SRT4 with this problem. I've been driving stick since '72 (my 240Z) and never had problems like this. No cure available at this time. This is a new car, not some $1K junker!!! I don't know about you all, but I'm ready to bail!
I first saw the RL at the Miami Auto Show in November and went that weekend to get one (along with two 2005 Pontiac Vibes). I traded in two 2002 Z28 Camaros and an 03 S10 Pickup to buy these three cars and was excited about the purchases. The Pontiacs are fine (made by Toyota), but I am very sorry I got the Saturn.
Four trips to the dealer for major brake problems, the last they overcut the rotors and returned the car to me without letting me know. When I had brake failure at 70 mph all they could say was "oops sorry, we'll order new rotors." I spoke with Saturn reps but they keep insisting the problems can be fixed, I just need to be patient. I've also requested an 05 RL to replace this Turkey, but of course they won't even consider it. They said they didn't want to start a precedence.
So far the car I bought on 11/15 has been in for repair for a total of 18 days with no loaner provided. Tonight I began completing the paperwork to file for the Lemon Law with this one. I can't have a new car (3700 miles) that's in the shop 1/3 the time while I still make $400/month payments.
You may have some wise ass comeback to my situation, but don't waste your time showing your immaturity. That way I won't laugh when it happens to you. I would welcome any constructive ideas you might have and especially the idea of jointly approaching Saturn to get their act together and fix our cars!