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My wife and I are going to be getting another car, I have test drove the redline, and while on the highway I smoked a Dodge SRT-4. We are also looking at the Scion Tc, they are coming out with a supercharger for it in April, and the dealership is owned by the same dealer that has a Saturn dealership right next door. The salesman at scion has driven the redline extensively, he likes the car, but says the Tc will have the same performance as the redline. The scion I am looking at will also have a short throw shifter, and a 1" TRD lowered suspension all around. I like how the Scion looks, but I can't get past the fact that the redline has the quad doors. I'm looking for some imput from anyone that could help us in our decision. Oh, the redline fully loaded will cost us a little over $21,000 not including tax and other fees, and the Tc with all the options that I have added, including an XM radio, the supercharger, the springs and shocks, and the short throw, will be a little over $23,000 out the door. Thanks
 

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Ill help you decide right quickly like. Come and buy mine. 19000 with all kinds of crap done. Anyways your on a Redline forum everyone will tell you saturn this and that.

Pros-
-No Dents ever they cant so it wont
-Already supercharged so its properly setup for it. Unlike a Scion which I was so close to buying in fact they let me have it for a weekend till the I was saturnized.
-Quad Coupe is Bad ass suicide door come on theres no substitue
-Recaro Seats they are fun to sit in and fun to take a high speed corner in.
-Suspension saturn spent some serious time making this car what it is. The handling exceds any toyota even the famous supra and rides way better than a TC or a neon. NO disrespect to the SRT but you have to admit the corners are way better in the Redline
-Polished Aluminum 17 wheels. All of them to my knowledge come with 17s but do any of them look this good?
-Looks are nice the body kit the skirts all of it.
-real power the scion with a supercharger will only yield 205 crank hp not 205 wheel hp. We will still have at least 30 or more hp to the crank in stock form and with the 3000 you would spend on the trd kit you can make this car 300hp to the dirt or even more.
-brakes no matter where you read it this will stop faster than almost any car ever tested.

Cons
-its a saturn once you look past that your in good shape
-the srt-4 is faster and easier to make faster being turbo'd but the aftermarket will catch up
-thats all I can think of

The whole car is built rather well you have driven one you know the shifts are tight the suspension is perfect and the engine is powerful and always ready to go. No lag no hesitation its always ready to go.

So call me or PM me Ill show you mine and you will meet me for it. Im always trying to advertise.

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Not to mention that the Redline has everything you named, from the lowered suspension the the forced induction for cheaper. There's no way that the heavier tC will keep up with the Redline around a track. The brakes are amazing as Goofy said, and so is the ride quality for a car with ZR rated tires and tuning done at the N-ring in Germany. Not to mention that while the Camry 4-banger is a good, reliable engine, there is NO WAY that it was developed from the ground up to be supercharged and raced like the Redline's setup is. Can you say oil jet cooled pistons? Maybe the Camry has it too, don't know anything about them, but I doubt it. You can pick the Ion or the Cobalt over the tC, anyday.



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dazednconfused75 said:
Ditto that
the buy my car part right?

Also the stock motor in the car is biult to be supercharged and hold to what is speculated almost 500hp with the pistons, crank, rods, and transmission. The srt-4 can also back this up but the scion will not last at all with anything more the 250hp the tranny cant handle it.
 

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Scorpious,
I work at the GM Parma Plant and we have a Family First program called "GM in the Driveway" where I can extend to you a GM supplier discount. I bought my Redline @ Saturn of North Olmsted from Ramon. Ask for him, he was real nice and very helpful. He's been with Saturn since they came online 14 yrs ago. PM me if you are interested and i will tell you how the process works.

Anyone else who is thinking of buying a new Red Line PM me for the low-down.

This program has been extended to Mar. 31, 2005 and must take retail delivery by that date.
 

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Thanks for the info. It's funny you mention Remon....is his last name Abusada? We went to Sunnyside Saturn in Middleburg Hts. to test drive the Redline, and the salesman who helped us was Remon's brother.
 

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I'd like to second the plastic sidepanel comment...

I don't have a redline yet, but I do have an old SC1, my first car out of college.

A few months after buying it, somone keyed my baby. Clean through the paint and primer and into the plastic. I didn't notice it for a few weeks. I've used some of those UB40 polishes you see on TV and worked it down to barely noticeable.

But if this car had metal sidepanels, the entire thing would be ruined. The few weeks I missed it would be enough time for the metal to oxidize and rust to start forming... Even if I had the thing repainted, a year later rust would be bubbling up. Ever see old cars with nasty bubbly hoods? That's because road chips have exposed little itty bitty potions of steel and allowed rust to form under the paint.

And just when I started to take plastic side panels for granted a couple years ago, my father bought himself a nice, shiny Sebring. And he is CONSTANTLY fixing little dents and dings. Plastic side panels ALWAYS look good.

While I'm singing the praises of plastic side panels, I might as well dispel the myth of the "safety factor". Car side panels are made of sheet steel. If you have doubt about the protective capabilities of sheet steel, kick a metal car some time. That'll cause a dent. If you can dent it, there's no way in hell it's going to protect you in a car crash. In fact, in the even of a crash, steel side panels will crinkle, creating sharp edges which can lead to additional injuries. Bad news.

To review: plastic kicks butt, steel sucks butt
 

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We were on the highway going back to the dealership, and I was in the far left hand lane. I moved over to the next lane to the right, cause there was a car coming up fast. When the car got to me he slowed down, and I saw that it was an SRT-4. He then got behind us, and I downshifted and floored it, and pulled away from him. I got off the highway at the exit for the dealership, and he followed me all the way to the dealership, at which point he limped past me as I was getting ready to enter the dealership.
 
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