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Hi---Does anyone know who is going to have the power programer for the Redline(hypertech---superchips---???)

I had the hypertech on my last car and it worked great!!!

This car should be even better because it's supercharged...

I think that a power programer will also be like getting the 3.0 flash from saturn but better because we should be able to raise the rev limiter...turn on the cooling fans at lower temps and alot more options...

They got 43 RWHP out of a Bone Stock 2003 cobra supercharged V8 on the dyno with just a hypertech program and another 20 RWHP with a smaller pully for 63 RWHP total...

If we can get 1/2 of the gains with our 4 cylinder superchaged motors that should be a solid 30+ FWHP for $500 total without any intake or exhuast work...Im sure that HP will be more for cars with those mods...

I have heard that the programers should be out soon but no real dates...
 

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WopOnTour said:
Fill me in... What's a 3.0 Flash ??? :confused:
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The 3.0 reflash from the dealer. I had the dealer do it to both of my RL's and oh my god it was like driving a different car. But maybe its because my RL's are like ones from the first batch made(I recieved both of them in early june and I live on the west coast).
 

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The term "3.0 Flash" is obviously some term someone here coined

There is no such term used by the dealer or anyone involved with the service programming of your car

It has no basis or refererence to anything related to any PSBs involved with the reflash of the Redline.
(your firmware is determined by a Part Number# and there ARE differences between the 04 and 05 models- so using numbers like 3.0, 3.1, 4.0 like a Windows software package is technically unsound and just muddies the waters)

I would suggest everyone stop using it

WOT

Here are the "latest and greatest" calibration part numbers for the Redlines
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2004 Model Year- 12597977
2005 Model Year- 12598558
This number can be verified on your car with a suitably equipped scan tool
 

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WopOnTour said:
The term "3.0 Flash" is obviously some term someone here coined

There is no such term used by the dealer or anyone involved with the service programming of your car

It has no basis or refererence to anything related to any PSBs involved with the reflash of the Redline.
(your firmware is determined by a Part Number# and there ARE differences between the 04 and 05 models- so using numbers like 3.0, 3.1, 4.0 like a Windows software package is technically unsound and just muddies the waters)

I would suggest everyone stop using it

WOT

Here are the "latest and greatest" calibration part numbers for the Redlines
Code:
2004 Model Year- 12597977
2005 Model Year- 12598558
This number can be verified on your car with a suitably equipped scan tool
I'ts what the service tech said other than that I have no idea.
 

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Exactly! It is the service techs who are using the upgrade numbers 2.0, 2.5 and the latest, 3.0. So if you want to blame somebody for "muddying the waters", you should start there! ;)
 

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My delaer is working on some performance reprograms. Also, it won't effect warranty. I told them I'm willing to be a guinea pig.
They already do it on Saabs
 

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Sinister redlines said:
I'ts what the service tech said other than that I have no idea.
Catshreds said:
Exactly! It is the service techs who are using the upgrade numbers 2.0, 2.5 and the latest, 3.0. So if you want to blame somebody for "muddying the waters", you should start there! ;)
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I dont think so
No genuine Saturn tech who actually DOES these upgrades would be using this terminology. It just does NOT exist anywhere in Saturn or GM! Are you maybe referring to maybe the version of SSS or TIS?? Irregardless that has nothing to do with the actual SPS file version that's downloaded to your car.
ANY Saturn tech would tell you the same.
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you must be a GM tech. i don't really know anyone else that would know those abbreviations. maybe not saturn but definetly in a GM dealership.
 

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LOL
I dont think so
No genuine Saturn tech who actually DOES these upgrades would be using this terminology. It just does NOT exist anywhere in Saturn or GM! Are you maybe referring to maybe the version of SSS or TIS?? Irregardless that has nothing to do with the actual SPS file version that's downloaded to your car.
ANY Saturn tech would tell you the same.
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Well I didnt wake up this morning thinking I would make up this crap so if you want to talk to my tech( at a saturn dealer )pm me and i'll give you the phone #.
 

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LOL
I dont think so
No genuine Saturn tech who actually DOES these upgrades would be using this terminology. It just does NOT exist anywhere in Saturn or GM! Are you maybe referring to maybe the version of SSS or TIS?? Irregardless that has nothing to do with the actual SPS file version that's downloaded to your car.
ANY Saturn tech would tell you the same.
WOT
You're right, we just make this shit up for your private amusement! Keep LOL smart guy! :mad:
 

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Catshreds said:
You're right, we just make this shit up for your private amusement! Keep LOL smart guy! :mad:
Let's see...how can I say this in a single poignant sentence of "self-proclaimed wisdom" like almost every one of your 200+ posts??...

Yes! I think you DID make that s**t up, perhaps for YOUR OWN amusement? :confused:
 

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I was just curious, my father has this code reader which works on his '04 ION Sedan and I was wondering if it will work on our cars? I mean, I can try it myself (lol...I will when I get time...damn re-grand opening of my store) but I'd like to know what you guys thought ahead of time. Oh...and where is our port to plug it into....lol, I feel like a retard for asking that. (I know this isn't a programmer, but I really didn't want to start a new thread on this and it sort of applies)
 

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I was just curious, my father has this code reader which works on his '04 ION Sedan and I was wondering if it will work on our cars? I mean, I can try it myself (lol...I will when I get time...damn re-grand opening of my store) but I'd like to know what you guys thought ahead of time. Oh...and where is our port to plug it into....lol, I feel like a retard for asking that. (I know this isn't a programmer, but I really didn't want to start a new thread on this and it sort of applies)
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It should work to read DTCs at least. The specs say it is J1850VPW compliant which GM calls "Class 2 data" and specifically what the ION Redline is using. In fact it just might work for the "regular" 2.2 ION as well. Those use a "dual wire" high speed CAN (well technically GMLan) which this tool appears to also be able to cope with. It's not a real scan tool, but not bad for 200 beans IMO.
Let us know.
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Oh I will...and yes it does work on the 2.2 ION's (my dad owns a sedan)...but where is our port (you know..to plug this into)..I don't care to look and am to lazy to even try...lol.
 

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WopOnTour said:
LOL
I dont think so
No genuine Saturn tech who actually DOES these upgrades would be using this terminology. It just does NOT exist anywhere in Saturn or GM! Are you maybe referring to maybe the version of SSS or TIS?? Irregardless that has nothing to do with the actual SPS file version that's downloaded to your car.
ANY Saturn tech would tell you the same.
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My Saturn Tech also called my last one the version 2.0 upgrade... sorry...
 

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Look
Let's just cut the mass hysteria over this
I do this for a living, for a very long time, and have reprogrammed a few dozen Redlines (how many have YOU done?)
I will no longer to continue to dispute what your saying as it's ludicrous (blame your techs all you want- they're used to it, and can take it)
But I seen someone here propagating this same BS on the SaturnFans Redline forums a few weeks back. (I wont name- names)

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS VERSION 1.0, 2.0, 2.5 or 3.0 OF THE REDLINE SOFTWARE PERIOD!

I'm not calling you liars, all I'm trying to do is HELP YOU to help yourselves when you visit your Saturn store to obtain these services. Many of you have claimed that your "stupid dealer" or "dummy tech" couldn't find the "Version 2.5 upgrade" - well there's a very good reason for that- THERE"S NO SUCH THING!!And all you guys do by going to the dealer with numbers like this, claiming to be "in he know" is cause unneccessary confusion, and contribute to your own dissatisfaction when they say that they "don't know what you're talking about."

Someone here obviously concocted this 1.0-2.0 version terminology, to represent the sequence of updates that exists. All I can tell you is OUR software doesn’t work that way and those numbers are MEANINGLESS.
You dont want to believe me? Fine!! Call it whatever you want, but I refuse to sit idley by and watch people here bad mouth their Saturn techs over some forum concocted b**ls**t, just because some single-sentenced, self-proclaimed forum "guru" (that's never even TOUCHED a TECH2 let alone use one) says "Unite and Go forth to thy dealerships for the version 3.0 update".

Below are some screenshots I took while updating an 04 Redline that show ALL that can be seen during the "pass-through" process during both the "check for updates phase", "reflashing phase" and "post reflash advisement phase".
So if there's a Saturn tech here that does it differently somehow, using a different numbering system, please fill me in!
WOT
 

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No kidding! Most of us know that anyway, yet Saturn techs still use these terminologies... yes, we're all making it up. No one ever heard a Saturn Tech say that. Just like during the same visit when the tech told me that Saab is not affiliated with GM, I have a Getrag tranny, and that there was no TSB for the Cam Position Sensor. I'm making all those up too.

We appreciate your input and particually your tech tidbits, but if you think that we're all a bunch of liars, you can kiss my ass. You seem to be the only person here that is dealing with well informed, and well educated techs. The tech I talked to on the phone told me I should be able to see my oil filter right under the car on the drivers side... So I'm not sure where you come off calling everyone here a liar. I know that Saturn does not use these versions internally, but more than one person has been told those numbers. Maybe if Saturn could get any of their shit together, we wouldn't have misunderstandings like this. Maybe :

the intercooler would be wired right, the cam seal wouldn't leak, forum users wouldn't have to update Saturn dealerships as to new TSBs, the Comp. Package would be out, they wouldn't be confused when someone explained to them that the intercooler was running in reverse, they wouldn't use a scan tool to check the intercooler pump direction, the trunk lid wouldn't scratch, they wouldn't need 4 software updates.... etc...
 

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Look
Let's just cut the mass hysteria over this
I do this for a living, for a very long time, and have reprogrammed a few dozen Redlines (how many have YOU done?)
I will no longer to continue to dispute what your saying as it's ludicrous (blame your techs all you want- they're used to it, and can take it)
But I seen someone here propagating this same BS on the SaturnFans Redline forums a few weeks back. (I wont name- names)

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS VERSION 1.0, 2.0, 2.5 or 3.0 OF THE REDLINE SOFTWARE PERIOD!

I'm not calling you liars, all I'm trying to do is HELP YOU to help yourselves when you visit your Saturn store to obtain these services. Many of you have claimed that your "stupid dealer" or "dummy tech" couldn't find the "Version 2.5 upgrade" - well there's a very good reason for that- THERE"S NO SUCH THING!!And all you guys do by going to the dealer with numbers like this, claiming to be "in he know" is cause unneccessary confusion, and contribute to your own dissatisfaction when they say that they "don't know what you're talking about."

Someone here obviously concocted this 1.0-2.0 version terminology, to represent the sequence of updates that exists. All I can tell you is OUR software doesn’t work that way and those numbers are MEANINGLESS.
You dont want to believe me? Fine!! Call it whatever you want, but I refuse to sit idley by and watch people here bad mouth their Saturn techs over some forum concocted b**ls**t, just because some single-sentenced, self-proclaimed forum "guru" (that's never even TOUCHED a TECH2 let alone use one) says "Unite and Go forth to thy dealerships for the version 3.0 update".

Below are some screenshots I took while updating an 04 Redline that show ALL that can be seen during the "pass-through" process during both the "check for updates phase", "reflashing phase" and "post reflash advisement phase".
So if there's a Saturn tech here that does it differently somehow, using a different numbering system, please fill me in!
WOT
***, you are living proof that you can be really intelligent and still act really stupid. Whether you are right or wrong is irrelevant to the FACT, that some owners are being given bogus info regarding updates. I, for one, called my dealer about scheduled service and was told I might want to "wait until version 3.0 is out so I can get it done together". I DID NOT GET THAT FROM THIS WEBSITE or any other. Nor was I bad mouthing techs! Climb down off of your high horse of indignation and talk to us mere mortals with a true sense of trying to help.
 

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***, you seem like you know what you are doing and all but . . do you have to come across like such an know-it-all *******?

Grow up. Act like a man for Gosh sakes instead of a 15 year old trying to impress his 1st date's brother.
 
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