I'm surprised the guy admitted to getting beat. It's funny how no one believed the whp then it change to "well, it's still a Saturn & I wouldn't be caught dead in it...". Ya know, both Volkswagon & Subaru (seems like the only companys represented on that thread) had pretty humble beginnings, too. I especially liked the quote from the guy who said the RL looked a little too ricey but in his list of "mods" it included clear signal lenses & such. WTF?!