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Does ZZP have struts and shocks for IRL?


I see that they have coblat stuff
 

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any advice on what parts to get for installation
 

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15231865 - is this the correct part number for front struts?


19295558 -shock
 

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I've always bought the FE5 struts and shocks. (Which is an upgrade to the IRL's FE3 grade.)

Rears: ACDelco 560-582. You'll need two as they are the same for both sides.
Front left: ACDelco 506-683. You'll need to re-use the top nut from the old struts, as well as the mounts and springs.
Front right: ACDelco 506-684.

About $275 if you buy all of them from Amazon.

Although the rear shocks you listed are quite a bit cheaper than the FE5s.
 

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I've always bought the FE5 struts and shocks. (Which is an upgrade to the IRL's FE3 grade.)

Rears: ACDelco 560-582. You'll need two as they are the same for both sides.
Front left: ACDelco 506-683. You'll need to re-use the top nut from the old struts, as well as the mounts and springs.
Front right: ACDelco 506-684.

About $275 if you buy all of them from Amazon.

Although the rear shocks you listed are quite a bit cheaper than the FE5s.


Thanks , appreciate it

I can resuse the mounts and nuts - that explains alot thanks...

The springs stay good for years , I guess

I will look into the FE5 - Will these be stiffer than the FE3?

How do they differ ?
 

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The fe5 is a better ride than the fe3 but they are cobalt parts. The rear shocks bolt right up but the fronts need a conversion kit and will also require cobalt springs (not the same a ion). CED is the best place to get them. If you get the FE5/YYZ kit you get the fronts assembledand the rear shocks and springs. There are lots of posts with all the details. The combo is like night and day better. And still a great setup for daily driving.
 

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The fe5 is a better ride than the fe3 but they are cobalt parts. The rear shocks bolt right up but the fronts need a conversion kit and will also require cobalt springs (not the same a ion). CED is the best place to get them. If you get the FE5/YYZ kit you get the fronts assembledand the rear shocks and springs. There are lots of posts with all the details. The combo is like night and day better. And still a great setup for daily driving.
My memory might be fuzzy as it's been several years, but I'm pretty sure you only need the conversion kit if you are using the Cobalt springs. If you reuse the IRL springs and mounts, then you need nothing but the bare strut. You'll also have to reuse the IRL strut nut as the Cobalt FE5 strut nuts won't work. I actually bought the FE5 kit from CED several years ago and I remember the fronts struts were a simple swap-over at a shop.
 

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Thanks , appreciate it

I can resuse the mounts and nuts - that explains alot thanks...

The springs stay good for years , I guess

I will look into the FE5 - Will these be stiffer than the FE3?

How do they differ ?
When I switched over to FE5s struts/shocks several years ago, I don't think I noticed a huge difference. Keeping in mind I kept the front FE3 springs, but swapped over to FE5 rear springs. At this point, though, the FE3 IRL struts are hard to find, whereas the FE5s are pretty plentiful so I would say there's little point to stay with the IRL original struts.

Also, as far as the OE spring life goes, my original fronts actually broke recently (both sides) after ~260k and multiple Michigan winters.
 

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thanks .... I have suggested these at chevy and theu are hesitating


Probably becuase they are for the newer cars that thrived .... cobalts amd hrs


I have to make them know these will work .. the FE5s are also cheaper than the FE3 fronts
 

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I've always bought the FE5 struts and shocks. (Which is an upgrade to the IRL's FE3 grade.)

Rears: ACDelco 560-582. You'll need two as they are the same for both sides.
Front left: ACDelco 506-683. You'll need to re-use the top nut from the old struts, as well as the mounts and springs.
Front right: ACDelco 506-684.

About $275 if you buy all of them from Amazon.

Although the rear shocks you listed are quite a bit cheaper than the FE5s.

Can you confirm these are right numbers?


I checked but chevy is saying a different car ?

On cobalts. perhaps I should just get the links done????
 

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If I get these installed at a shop do they have to have the alignment immediately?

Say if I get them done and bring them in to another place for the alignmnent in a few days later.


thanks for all the help and information

would not have gotten this far
 

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Perhaps I am wrong about the struts and shocks

I have 63k on my IRL now


The main concern I have is the noise that they make in the cold weather


What other parts of the suspension (or non suspension) would rattle or make some squeaks over undulations in the road.


What if I do get the FE5 struts/shocks and sway bar links and the noise is still there in the winter?



I remember from my old ion that the car made a clunk like noise and a deep tone repetitive - like a drum over the bumps

On the IRL this does not happen at all. :shrug03:
 

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I think most of the noise from our suspension comes from the bad endlinks. Look at those first and then see where you are at.

The IRL suspension is pretty simple.

~Endlinks
~Sway bar bushings
~Lower control arms (bushing and ball joint)
~Struts

Then there's also some sound from the steering column, but it's obvious that it's coming from there.

The endlinks and sway bar bushings are the easiest, cheapest, and quickest replacements first. You can test your endlinks by just moving them with your hand and seeing if there is any movement. The sway bar bushings you can just move the sway bar with your hand and see if there is any movement within the bushings.

I just recently replaced all those above items and the front suspension is as quiet as when it was new.

At 63k, your front struts and springs are probably okay.
 

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They always say to get an alignment every time you replace any of the suspension/steering components.

From my experience, I've not done alignments every time. In fact, I've probably gotten only 1 or 2 alignments from a shop the entire time I've had this car. I've not had any weird front tire wear, but it may have affects on suspension component longevity.

To me, it's not an absolute must, but if you want peace of mind, it's probably best.
 

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I think most of the noise from our suspension comes from the bad endlinks. Look at those first and then see where you are at.

The IRL suspension is pretty simple.

~Endlinks
~Sway bar bushings
~Lower control arms (bushing and ball joint)
~Struts

Then there's also some sound from the steering column, but it's obvious that it's coming from there.

The endlinks and sway bar bushings are the easiest, cheapest, and quickest replacements first. You can test your endlinks by just moving them with your hand and seeing if there is any movement. The sway bar bushings you can just move the sway bar with your hand and see if there is any movement within the bushings.

I just recently replaced all those above items and the front suspension is as quiet as when it was new.

At 63k, your front struts and springs are probably okay.
They always say to get an alignment every time you replace any of the suspension/steering components.

From my experience, I've not done alignments every time. In fact, I've probably gotten only 1 or 2 alignments from a shop the entire time I've had this car. I've not had any weird front tire wear, but it may have affects on suspension component longevity.

To me, it's not an absolute must, but if you want peace of mind, it's probably best.

Thanks I really appreciate the info



I just got my mobile 1 change last week at chevy and they have a list of replacement items


I am really just happy to get new oil to clean the sludge out (and new filter)


My oil indicator went off this time at 3500 miles which is the lowest I have seen in 5 years .

But the Saturn ion Owner manual says it does not go by the miles ???


Heat and revolutions are more important they say
 

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So question.

I bought my 04 Redline, he lowered it with Eibach Pro-Line series springs (I believe, they are black not red) but left the stock FE-3 shocks and struts in, The springs are hard as shit. I see a lot of conflicting info on part numbers and different years of vehicles. Basically I want a full FE5 suspension set-up, I have the stock springs but they are FE3 correct? What the hell am I actually ordering because it's definitely for the Cobalts or Chevy HHR's. Different model years are listed as different part numbers. Can someone simplify this for me.

I upgraded to FE5 on my base Ion QC many moons ago, but I was running Progress brand springs, I know I had to swap over the top hats for the struts. What swaps over here? Plus I read some things about having to add a spacer from Powell to the strut monuts?

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FE5's are currently discontinued, so you need to get them while you can. Check with Tom at Oempartsdepot.com for availability/part numbers.

YYZ's are actually a Cobalt spring, so you need a spacer kit from Powell to convert. Check with Tom or with ZZP.
 

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FE5's are currently discontinued, so you need to get them while you can. Check with Tom at Oempartsdepot.com for availability/part numbers.

YYZ's are actually a Cobalt spring, so you need a spacer kit from Powell to convert. Check with Tom or with ZZP.

O.K, thanks, that's what I've been reading, he has them available, (at least it says they are in stock) but I'll give him a call.
 

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Shocks and struts and other stuff.

Hey Everyone,

New to the forum but had Saturns for a while now. Just got my 04 Silver Redline in Sept with 133k. I am just adding what I added to my car and I'm sure you'll want to drop 1600 for KW Variant 2 V2 Coilovers on Ebay. The shocks were trashed when I bought the car and I wanted the ability to change the height from summer to winter here. The shocks are amazing as they should be.
Mind you I'm putting a bunch into my car. I have the HTV1320 LSJ and still need to get the dual pass endplate and Heat exchanger, Injector dynamics ID725. Fuel Boost reference from ZZP. I got most of my parts in sept before ZZP changed their website and removed a lot of the redline information. Not cool. My biggest issue is wrapping my head around Hptuners as it's very intimidating to me. Sorry for the rant but I just wanted to say the Variant 2 are a amazing set of shocks/coil over. Handle the rough roads in this city like a breeze. I've been browsing the wealth of information here and I'm sure will need to ask questions too.
 
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