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To squeeze or not to squeeze, that is the question in mind. I'm getting alittle tired of waiting for things to come out and I was thinking of squeezing a 30-40shot. I dont want to go above that because I know our cars run on the lean side. I dont know a lot about nitrous but If I have nitrous and let's say I get in a high impact collison *knock on wood* wouldnt my car pretty much be a bomb?! I would think so or are there any preventive measures I can do to set it up so that it wont likely blow up? Get back to me guys..
 

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I've been looking into possibly using either a wet shot before the blower or, both NOS and Nitrous Express have those nozzles that fit in between the intake and the injector and take both fuel and N2O. They are pretty expensive though. I can't decide if it is something that I want to invest in right now.
 

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Do Not, I repeat DO NOT spray before the Supercharger. It can cause damage to the rotors.
I do agree the nitrous will over time wear the teflon off the rotors and the dealer will know what you been doin. :eek:
 

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If you are going to use nitrous on the RL, NOS or NX fogger setup is the only way to go. Because the engine runs on the lean side in the upper RPM the extra fuel added by the nozzles will help you stay safe on the A/F ratio. And yes they are very pricey, Summit has the Sportsman Fogger for $650. The only question is if you can safely drill into the intake manifold with a good enough angle for the nozzles to shoot right into the combustion chamber. I don't own an Ion RL so I wouldn't know. Anybody know?
 

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There are 1000's of grand prix's spraying before the SC. Yes it will eventually wear the teflon off the rotors, however so will the exhaust gas from the EGR.

The most important thing, is that you are intercooled. The results from spraying GTP's with intercoolers is brittle IC core fins. After time, they will get so brittle, they break off. Most pass harmlessly through the motor, and since they are alum, cause little or no damage, however there is the potential, that when / if they do break, the IC core will leak, and hydro lock the engine.

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Why would you guys want to do something that has the potential in destroying your supercharger or the intercooler. Get the wetshot then at least if something goes wrong you just replace the motor and not everything else. I'm going to go with a wet shot sometime after gm releases the stage upgrades. I'm going to go straight to the Stage 3 and then get Nitrosexpress wet shot.
 

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I was paging through one of my old Hot Compact & Import mags and found this. "When GM started using the Ecotec in drag racing situations, it allowed the team to simply pour more power into the engine to find the weak link was located. With increasing levels of boost and loads of Nitrous, the team could only find failures of the connecting rods. The block and everything else were fine all the way up to 500-plus horsepower." :D This is the Best Part :D "Injecting the Nitrous was simple too, as an unused EGR port on the intake, just below the throttle body, served as the perfect location. (the engine runs so clean it doesn't need an EGR) The oil filter mounting plate even has a provision for adding an oil cooler." If you want more on the story you can find in HCI Volume 5 number 8 August 2004 issue. Story name ECOTEC BOOST. Author Bob Carpenter.
 

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I was paging through one of my old Hot Compact & Import mags and found this. "When GM started using the Ecotec in drag racing situations, it allowed the team to simply pour more power into the engine to find the weak link was located. With increasing levels of boost and loads of Nitrous, the team could only find failures of the connecting rods. The block and everything else were fine all the way up to 500-plus horsepower." :D This is the Best Part :D "Injecting the Nitrous was simple too, as an unused EGR port on the intake, just below the throttle body, served as the perfect location. (the engine runs so clean it doesn't need an EGR) The oil filter mounting plate even has a provision for adding an oil cooler." If you want more on the story you can find in HCI Volume 5 number 8 August 2004 issue. Story name ECOTEC BOOST. Author Bob Carpenter.
that's on the stock ecotec, our cars have the upgraded parts.

it would be fine to spray before the blower if you're NOT using a wet shot, you need a dry shot before the blower, after the blower you could use a wet shot.

there are such fine tolerances with the rotors, that any moisture is likely to do some serious damage to the blower, DON'T DO IT
 

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there are such fine tolerances with the rotors, that any moisture is likely to do some serious damage to the blower, DON'T DO IT
I don't see it being an issue. If you spray NO2 into the intake the temarature changes, when you get huge temaprature changes you usually get condensation. The condensation moves through the blower the same as the air would. It won't do any damage because the air is not compressed inside the roots superchargerit is compressed inside the intake. All it is doing is just moving the air from one place to another. Besides, there is allways moisture in the air and that is constantly going through the blower.

A wet shot through the blower will eventually damage the teflon coating but for the minimal ammount of times it will be used I don't see it being a short term reliability issue.

Besides, the big top fuel blowers have a similar tight tollerance and they dump 15 gallons of nitromethane through those in a 1/4 mile so I don't think my couple of gallons of race fuel over the life of the blower will hurt.

The big issue I see that I haven't decided the sevatiry of is having fuel pool in the bottom of the intake where the Laminova cores sit. This could be a concern with the way the intake is designed.

I was looking at twin charge but think NO2 is going to be the way I go. With header, exhaust, a quality intake and a 75 to 100 dose of the juic it should make a nice quick ride.

Lots of research to do before then though.......
 

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Remember when you spray on a FI car you actually make more power. So a 75 shot is going to be more than 75 hp. I've been spraying for years on my modified SC2, and truly was thinking about doing it to the Redline. I'm just not to sure though. PSI FI upgrade + Nitrous = something beautiful...

Tom
 
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