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I am on the verge of getting an RL and i am kind of weary about the whole supercharged setup. I know it is reliable,but for the simple fact that everytalks about how u can't upgrade to a smaller pulley because of the heat. I have heard a lot about having to upgrade superchargers. I was contemplating about just going turbo and be done with it. I was just curious about the distance between the firewall and the engine?
 

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I'd just keep the supercharger or buy something with a turbo on it already. There will be plenty of room to make power with the set up it has. Did you see the 272 hp Cobalt? WITH the supercharger, and WITHOUT major upgrades to the supercharger? If you think it's gonna be easier and worth it to take the supercharger off, and drop the cash on a turbo, that's your choice. The only reason that there isn't already upgrades for the car is the lack of supercharged cars of this type in circulation. There will be plenty of stuff coming out, I'm almost positive that GM will offer a new aftercooler and pulley for the car soon, I even found part numbers for the stuff, it's just not out quite yet.



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I'm just tired of GM being dumb with the aftermarket parts and their prices for them. Do you know how long GM has been promising the j-body community superchargers for the 2.4 and the ecotec? They finaly answered the 2.4 people after being postponed for a very long time. I just don't want to be in the same boat as my cavy which is having to wait for long periods of time with little tid bits of hope being thrown around.
 

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Yea, but GM dosen't make the superchargers, the Eaton model that is on the Redline could have been strapped to the 2.4s. You could have turbo'd that engine with GM parts from the Saab's without having to wait. The lack of a supercharger for the Cavilier was answered with the Cobalt and the Redline. They made these two cars for just that reason. If you wanna talk about GM and the aftermarket, its HUGE. The GM aftermarket support is for things like Corvettes, Camaros, GTO's, GranPrixs, etc... GM is one of, if not the most, well supported names out there. Hell, I was watching your Ecotec powered Cavi running 1/4 miles at the Super Chevy Show and taking Camaro SS's. They were running turbos with nitrous, so the aftermarket isn't exactly that bad...



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The GM aftermarket is bad. I have been on the eco boat since it all started. I know about the saab turbo and manifold i have one setting beside me. The problem with the saab setup is you need a special downpipe flange because it isn't a common turbo. it is a GT-17 and until recently hadn't been able to get anyone to touch it for less than what i paid for the turbo and manifold. MP performance i just found out recently makes one,but the car is getting old and worn out. Thats the reason for the redline. Hahn racecraft has pushed it to a 12.8 on a stock ecotec. i do know about the aftermarket other than GM is good.
 

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Bro, you really think that the GM aftermarket is bad?? That's just nuts... there is no evidence that you could possibly support those statements with. I guarantee you that if you look at how much money trades hands, for ONLY GM branded cars, it would astonish you. If you've been on the Eco boat since it started, that would be all of like 5 years. Really, the last 3 years in particular. That's no time at all. Maybe you need to work a little harder at finding parts because these kids I was watching run 13's in Cavi's last year sure had it figured out. I'm not really sure what support you were looking for since you can buy everything for a Cavi that you can buy for any other sport compact. Hell, Jackson Racing and Turbonetics make direct fit kits for forced induction solutions for them, so what lack of support are you complaining about? I'm not sure what aftermarket you have looked into, but the GM aftermarket from a company wide standpoint is immense.



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i think what was meant by "gm's aftermarket is bad" was that GM's aftermarket support for their vehicles is bad, which i would agree, but what car manufacturer provides "good" aftermarket support? Scion? that's a joke, DCX obviously, but that's a fairly new trend, and toyota with TRD performance parts is ok, but not comparable to the "actual" aftermarket.

GM is coming with stuff for us, i have no doubt about that, but we have to be patient, especially considering that the cobalt isn't even out yet (SSs/c), so time will tell.

aside from that, GM cars always receive HUGE aftermarket (not always, but on worthy cars), IN TIME. unless you're doing it yourself, you've gotta wait for stuff to be available, so if you're in a hurry, start e-mailing companies you want to see produce stuff, that's all you can really do for now...
 

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All of the major parts for the cavalier have come out in the last year. When you talk about kids running 13's. Where are u located at?


My biggest complaint is it took 3 years for GM to finally do something with this engine after hyping it up. So that means its not what parts they have coming out,but WHEN!
 

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I'm in Chicago. They were running at the Super Chevy Show, there was between 3 and 5 of them. Two were show cars, the rest were running the quarter mile. All of them had either forced induction or nitrous or both, and they were FAST. Me and my roommate watched the first one line up, made fun of it for about 30 sec, due to the huge wing and the green dragon down the side of it, and then wathced in amazement as thing took a Z28(SS?) by a large enough distance that we could tell it from the starting line. We went over and talked to the kids that weren't running the 1/4 mile for about 30 min, since I was wondering if they had any tips I could get to use on my SC2.

There aren't many companies that really provide lots of factory aftermarket options man, if that's what you're talking about then GM and all the rest suck. Not just GM. You can still buy plenty of go fast goodies from them, but if you already have a car tuned by the performance division then there isn't likely to be alot available form the dealer. Almost all of them will sell parts that are used in other vehicles that are considered performance parts, like you could buy the Redline's engine from GM right now, and drop it in anything that it fits in. I imagine that you could also buy the supercharger itself and the aftercooler and drop it into something as well. If you already own the 'high performance' pieces that they sell, then there isn't alot you can buy from them. At the auto show here, you could actually buy the exhaust from the Redline/SS and drop it into your Cobalt or Ion and there you have an aftermarket exhuast. In my opinion, if you wait for the manufacturer to provide you with your aftermarket options, you're in for disappointment.



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The car doesn't sound familiar,but my biggest dilema is the fact that i just fell into a very good job. I will be able to dump some good money in this car. I was hoping for GM (like mopar) to offer stages,but i guess thats wishful thinking. The supercharger and aftercooler can't be bought from GM seperatly (to my knowledge).

Everyone here has talked about the LSD coming out for us in which they told me it would only be available on a new model redline and wouldn't be available as an option to add later to my car. They also said it would be mid-summer till they could get one with it on the lot. This was the story from 2 dealers in Ohio. One in Mansfield and one in Columbus.
 

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I'm sure you can get the LSD seperate. I dunno about getting one with it on the lot, I know that you can order it now. I know that it's on the Saturn website, and if you check the man's that produce LSD's I'm sure you can find the part to order seperate. GM has part numbers for a new aftercooler and pulley, so there will be parts from there, I hope. The SCCA has even written the parts into their competition requirements, so I have a good feeling about that stuff. You just need patience there has still been very few of these cars bought compared to other models. If you don't have the patience, then get something else. GM showed the 272 hp Cobalt at SEMA so there must be something in the works...



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I'm sure you can get the LSD seperate. I dunno about getting one with it on the lot, I know that you can order it now. I know that it's on the Saturn website, and if you check the man's that produce LSD's I'm sure you can find the part to order seperate. GM has part numbers for a new aftercooler and pulley, so there will be parts from there, I hope. The SCCA has even written the parts into their competition requirements, so I have a good feeling about that stuff. You just need patience there has still been very few of these cars bought compared to other models. If you don't have the patience, then get something else. GM showed the 272 hp Cobalt at SEMA so there must be something in the works...

you ever check the same stats for the SRT-4 when you stumbled across that?
 

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No. You mean seeing if the different SRT stages are in the same list right? That isn't something I checked. I just wrote the SCCA and asked them what the part numbers were and how I could tell if they were on my car.

I just went and checked, and the SRT-4 stuff was listed right under the Redline. All it said was:
Dodge SRT-4 (03-04), p. 26, add to the notes as follows: SRT-4 Brake Duct Kit PN P5153297 allowed.
Any particular reason you ask?



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