I can see being loyal to the Saturn brand but come on. Honda has been in the sport compact scene for a long time now and Saturn just released a car worthy of driving for the 2004 model year. I work at a Saturn dealership and I have driven Redline IONs and VUEs countless times. Not to say that the Redline Ion isn't fun but come on, if you were to race a honda it would not be fair. Unless they were using forced induction you really have nothing to be proud of. Now if you were to take that s/c off of there it would be no contest, a Honda 2.2L (such as the H22 from the Prelude) would flat out kill your Saturn. I honestly like the Redline ION and I think that when GM engineers can figure out how to get rid of some problems and still offer the car at around $20,000 it will be one hell of a car. I don't want to come off as some jerk who is just talking sh*t, but lay off of the Hondas. What gets me the most though is Saturn uses the HONDA 3.5L V6 in the VUE and a lot of people on here seem to act like Hondas are nothing but junk. I would really like to here some of your replies. Again, I DO NOT want to come off like a jerk. All I am saying is ease up on the Honda crowd.